Buddhism verse Islam

I thought this video was very interesting comparing the two religions based on the current climate in the world. Ultimately we will need to find solidarity together regardless but comparing the two was interesting.

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Modern Explanation of Buddhism

Check out this video, people like stories and this is a beautiful story about Buddhism. Watch this with your family or kids, it will become a great learning piece to bring happiness to your home.

 

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Buddhism

Well… um.. yeah.. I’m a little weird but not significantly more weird than any other person on this planet. The usual “anti-christian” atheist probably would never go to church but remember that Buddhism is essentially an atheistic religion.  Even in Hinduism, the “lower gods” can be interpreted as archetypes and the top God “Brahman” could be real or could be just a state of mind.  But I digress (I’m not answering why I originally went to a church.) Why I went to a  church: Dad believed in God, he just didn’t believe in religion. So, he never went to church. Mom considers herself agnostic.  She doesn’t know whether God exists or not.  But she wanted to go to church.  One pastor that she loved had a sermon about “Why isn’t church more like a bar?” He read the lyrics to “Cheers”   ‘… sometimes you wanna go where everybody knows your name        and their always glad to came       you wanna be where you can see our troubles are all the same.       you wanna be where everyone knows your name…” Also I had been exposed to the concept of “humanism”.  While searching the internet for info on humanism I found a site that said humanist are basically unchurched Unitarians.  Or Unitarians are church going humanists.  whichever.. Also, religion encourages personal discipline.  (No… I’m not talking about whipping yourself.  I mean “keeping the house clean” literally and figuratively.) So… if Dad was a person who believed in God but not religion… it seems I’m a person who believes in religion but not God.

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Serious spiritual endeavor isn’t necessarily predicated on belief at all, it requires only sincerity and relentless honesty with oneself. Well that is just existence at no more than the psychic level.

There is no such thing as “the psychic level.”  All “existence” is by nature non-dual, undivided. You need to go further.

Further than what, this mythical, arbitrary “psychic level?”  🙂 How does spirituality function outside of a belief in the supernatural and/or of a god/religion? Spirituality involves a psycho-spiritual approach. Spiritual practice is the conversion of the small object into that Infinite ‘object’.  Now, you think that “This small body, this unit consciousness, is mine.”  But when you think “That vast universal body is mine,” then you are the spiritually that Infinite Consciousness.

This is not far enough.   Ultimately there is no possession or identity, not “That vast universal body is mine,” but “all is consciousness.” When this individual body and mind is yours, you know all the secrets of this individual physical body and mind.  And when this vast cosmos is your object, you’ll know everything of this cosmos, you’ll know everything of this infinite space.  So your spiritual practice is the practice of conversion – conversion of small into big.

Serious spiritual endeavor is not a matter of acquiring knowledge, which is nothing more than dead stored data. This process of conversion makes a person universal.  One’s very existence goes beyond the scope of time, place and person.  The entire universe is in the range of the mind of the Universal Consciousness, so there remains no second entity, no second individual.  Thus the question of any clash doesn’t arise.

You still fail to go far enough, but I suspect we’re running onto terminology problems.   Consciousness is by nature universal, and to assign it a “mind” is to anthropomorphize and thereby misunderstand it. If one wants to attain peace, what is one to do?  One is to convert one’s small objectivity into the infinite objectivity.  There is no other alternative.  Simply teaching the gospels of peace won’t give you any peace.

We’re in total agreement on that! You have to convert yourself from small into big.  Spiritual practice is the practice of increasing one’s own psychic radius.  When it becomes bigger and bigger, the range of mind is bigger.  And when in this way the radius becomes infinite, the aspirant becomes one with the Supreme (God).  This becoming one with the Supreme, the Supreme Union, is called Salvation or emancipation – liberation of permanent nature.

This is a rather poor depiction, since it is in the language of increase, achievement, and acquisition.  Ultimately, true “liberation” is not of this ilk at all, it is the spontaneous falling away of any such notion. Anything is mere dabbling in relativistic

 

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Of course where else but the USA would you find the notion of spiritual mixed up with self interest How did self interest get mixed up in this?

Actually, all “spiritual seeking” activity is a matter of self-interest, regardless of what country or culture is involved.  What is the yearning for “God” or “enlightenment” other than garden variety ambition cloaked in holy robes?  Understand, I am not judging the seeker or the seeking, but feel it is important to see both for what they are! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Raptor514 Ditto! There are about 30 million of us in the US (about 10% of the population and growing). So throughout my life I have practiced my spirituality in isolation, meditating, yoga, reading, living life to its fullest.

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Of course where else but the USA would you find the notion of spiritual mixed up with self interest

How did self interest get mixed up in this? Raptor514 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ditto! There are about 30 million of us in the US (about 10% of the population and growing). So throughout my life I have practiced my spirituality in isolation, meditating, yoga, reading, living life to its fullest.

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You don’t find a community – you make one! You can search forever if you like – but if you are after utopia you will not find that in the world which is subject to relativity. The idea of finding a community is like trying to buy something prepackaged. Which supermarket do you think it is in and on which shelf.

I suspect I am (and wish to be more so) what you might call a spiritual atheist. Good luck finding a community – I understand the desire.

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| | Have you studied BUDDHISM?AS it is an ATHEIST RELIGION, it may suit to you. | | Yes I have, mainly through books, and I do realize that it it’s true | form Buddhism has no God or deity. | | However, reincarnation seems to play a central, if not THE central | role in most Buddhist beliefs, and is something I do not believe in | either. | | | I have heard one interpretation of reincarnation that didn’t mean | “survival of death” in any literal sense. | If you understand that you are not exactly the same person that you | were yesterday and that tomorrow you are not the same person as today | – then isn’t death just one more change after a lifetimes changes? | You could say we a continuously reborn throughout our lives – and kama | has its place in such an understanding. That is correct, and that is how I see it as a Buddhist. The most fundamental principle of Buddhism is impermanence and this applies to ourselves, our personality, ego, self, God, and even Buddhism itself. They are all physical or mental constructs and as they are all impermanent, subject to birth, decay and death, cannot be said to be real. They are just convenient to use shortcuts but exist only by agreement and convention. Outside of that they have no existence. As far as reincarnation is concerned, there is therefore nothing that can reincarnate, or if you will, the process of change itself is reincarnation. But as there are no objects, it does not happen to a “thing”, but simply happens. The difficulty we have in the West is that we think in terms of entities, and that this is supported by our languages. Discard all thinking in terms of entities, objects, including yourself, and many a conundrum evaporates in front of your eyes. Think in terms of processes and functions. The Buddha said that in a second there are 72000 discreet thought elements that arise and decay. We invent ourselves continuously through this process. Our inertia, our habits, our beliefs give the impression that this stream has some continuity, but this is just one more illusion. Enlightenment is when this thought process comes to a complete halt. And what can be said or written after this happens? —  “Life knows its needs”

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Serious spiritual endeavor isn’t necessarily predicated on belief at all, it requires only sincerity and relentless honesty with oneself.

Well that is just existence at no more than the psychic level.  You need to go further. How does spirituality function outside of a belief in the supernatural and/or of a god/religion?

Spirituality involves a psycho-spiritual approach. Spiritual practice is the conversion of the small object into that Infinite ‘object’.  Now, you think that “This small body, this unit consciousness, is mine.”  But when you think “That vast universal body is mine,” then you are the spiritually that Infinite Consciousness.  When this individual body and mind is yours, you know all the secrets of this individual physical body and mind.  And when this vast cosmos is your object, you’ll know everything of this cosmos, you’ll know everything of this infinite space.  So your spiritual practice is the practice of conversion – conversion of small into big.  This process of conversion makes a person universal.  One’s very existence goes beyond the scope of time, place and person.  The entire universe is in the range of the mind of the Universal Consciousness, so there remains no second entity, no second individual.  Thus the question of any clash doesn’t arise.  If one wants to attain peace, what is one to do?  One is to convert one’s small objectivity into the infinite objectivity.  There is no other alternative.  Simply teaching the gospels of peace won’t give you any peace. You have to convert yourself from small into big.  Spiritual practice is the practice of increasing one’s own psychic radius.  When it becomes bigger and bigger, the range of mind is bigger.  And when in this way the radius becomes infinite, the aspirant becomes one with the Supreme (God).  This becoming one with the Supreme, the Supreme Union, is called Salvation or emancipation – liberation of permanent nature. Anything is mere dabbling in relativistic

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I used to be a complete atheist, until I found the only god I can truly know. The Inner Self…

that’s wright, believe in your self first, before acknowledging the existence of something that we don’t even know, some thing based on assumption, all these ideas about nirvana,liberation,merging with god are baseless.One can’t even solve the problems of our own existence, eg our basic needs  and  we try escape out of the reality by resorting to spirituality!! Has anyone seen ,felt or talk to god, even they did what benefit those experiences brought to humanity?

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I used to be a complete atheist, until I found the only god I can truly know.  The Inner Self… that’s wright, believe in your self first, before acknowledging the existence of something that we don’t even know

Do we truly know ourselves?   Tell me about it… some thing based on assumption, all these ideas about nirvana,liberation,merging with god are baseless.

Baseless?   I don’t think so.    Nirvana is simply the state of mind of “non-grasping”, i.e. desirelessness, which yields tranquility and peace, contentment w/ what is, a joy supreme.    “Merging w/ God” is perhaps to some a puffed-up description, lets instead put it this way: “I don’t know what it is, but boy is it absolutely fantastic!” One can’t even solve the problems of our own existence, eg our basic needs

You can’t?   Gee, get a job, problems of existence solved!    Remember Jesus said “God knows you need all the basics (food, clothing, shelter), yet do not chase after them, instead seek God and his kingdom, and all the rest will be given to you as well.”  and  we try escape out of the reality by resorting to spirituality!!

I never considered it an escape, I like reality just like it is.  Spirituality is in a sense just another thing to explore. Has anyone seen ,felt or talk to god

Yes, yes, yes.   Even “been God”.   And I can tell you “it” is the most fantastic, amazing, wonderful thing that is. even they did what benefit those experiences brought to humanity?

The usual results of such awareness is a sense of oneness w/ all [living] things, thus one generally becomes more tolerant, accepting, loving, compassionate, giving, forgiving, etc.   “Life more abundant” some would say.    If you like that sort of thing. zin

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I do believe there is such a thing like this called spiritual capitalism

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –   The concepts they uphold and believe in I just couldn’t accept as my own, such as God, reincarnation, astral projection, etc. So throughout my life I have practiced my spirituality in isolation, meditating, yoga, reading, living life to its fullest.

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Of course where else but the USA would you find the notion of spiritual mixed up with self interest

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ditto! There are about 30 million of us in the US (about 10% of the population and growing). So throughout my life I have practiced my spirituality in isolation, meditating, yoga, reading, living life to its fullest.

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There’s a certain slant of light, Winter afternoons, That oppresses like the heft Of Cathedral tunes. Heavenly hurt it gives us; We can find no scar, But internal difference, Where the meanings are. None may teach it any, ‘Tis the seal, despair – An imperial affliction Sent us of the air. When it comes, the landscape listens, Shadows hold their breath. When it goes, ’tis like the distance On the look of death. Emily Dickinson Newton’s Cat

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Have you studied BUDDHISM?AS it is an ATHEIST RELIGION, it may suit to you. Yes I have, mainly through books, and I do realize that it it’s true form Buddhism has no God or deity. However, reincarnation seems to play a central, if not THE central role in most Buddhist beliefs, and is something I do not believe in either.

I have heard one interpretation of reincarnation that didn’t mean “survival of death” in any literal sense. If you understand that you are not exactly the same person that you were yesterday and that tomorrow you are not the same person as today – then isn’t death just one more change after a lifetimes changes? You could say we a continuously reborn throughout our lives – and karma has its place in such an understanding. Not that I am a Buddhist myself – but like you I think most forms of spirituality have something to offer. I suspect I am (and wish to be more so) what you might call a spiritual atheist. Good luck finding a community – I understand the desire. Mark. P.S. Have you thought about the Universal Unitarians? I have heard that they are a very open and liberal “church” , I dont exactly know how an atheist would fit with them. — Mark Richardson  Member of S.M.A.S.H. (Sarcastic Middle aged  Atheists with a Sense of Humour)

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